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		<title>By: Webhead20</title>
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		<dc:creator>Webhead20</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 22:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that papers would still fold.  Too many online news sources not paper companies.  Here&#039;s what the NY Times is doing right now &lt;a href=&quot;http://ow.ly/etSN&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://ow.ly/etSN&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that papers would still fold.  Too many online news sources not paper companies.  Here&#39;s what the NY Times is doing right now <a href="http://ow.ly/etSN" rel="nofollow">http://ow.ly/etSN</a></p>
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		<title>By: Andria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 00:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Jason K. and friends, &lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;Excellent comments. &lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;Let&#039;s start with the idea that breaking news can&#039;t and shouldn&#039;t be hidden behind a pay wall. I&#039;ll bet the &quot;hot news&quot; doctrine of 1918 will get challenged in court shortly and will fail. &lt;a href=&quot;http://bit.ly&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://bit.ly&lt;/a&gt; &lt;br&gt;/Juirj Some news organizations will stake their brands on being first, and spend their resources to defend that, and some won&#039;t. We&#039;ll see whether being first can be a business model. I wonder how it&#039;s going for @BreakingNews. &lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;Then move on to civics: We&#039;re in a new era for civic and government online information, provided free, based on the concept of transparency and the idea that government information belongs to the taxpayers. News organizations have long been broadcasters and interpreters of that kind of information. If they hide that information behind a pay wall, they&#039;re abdicating a traditional social responsibility and giving up providing information that has been their bread and butter. Someone else will fill the void, for free, as a civic responsibility. See Sunlight Foundation. &lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;But some things are worth the money. Some quality, niche, found-nowhere-else content produced by news organizations could be worth paying for online: Jason S. is absolutely right that the successful pay-for-media examples are generally very specific genres, locations, or experts. Traditional news organizations in the past have had those experts, in words and visuals, but much of their best work that provides context to breaking news has remained hidden, inaccessible in archives. Curating and presenting that context in a visually pleasing way could be worth money in niche markets. &lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;In addition, Google&#039;s Marissa Mayer laid out some ideas to the Senate the other day on how to target and package articles for readers: Those idea could provide context-useful advertising that readers want, rather than hate. For example, I bought a $17.99 bottle of olive oil from Weaver Street Market in Chapel Hill recently, on sale for $7.99. It was opt-in advertising in Twitter, as I followed the co-op store&#039;s Twitter account. That&#039;s the future of advertising, useful. I&#039;m guessing Google and others see that as well. &lt;br&gt;Mayer&#039;s testimony: &lt;a href=&quot;http://bit.ly/jGp0V&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://bit.ly/jGp0V&lt;/a&gt; &lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;Quoting Clay Shirky (as everyone is): Nothing will work, but everything might.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Jason K. and friends, </p>
<p>Excellent comments. </p>
<p>Let&#039;s start with the idea that breaking news can&#039;t and shouldn&#039;t be hidden behind a pay wall. I&#039;ll bet the &quot;hot news&quot; doctrine of 1918 will get challenged in court shortly and will fail. <a href="http://bit.ly" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly</a> <br />/Juirj Some news organizations will stake their brands on being first, and spend their resources to defend that, and some won&#039;t. We&#039;ll see whether being first can be a business model. I wonder how it&#039;s going for @BreakingNews. </p>
<p>Then move on to civics: We&#039;re in a new era for civic and government online information, provided free, based on the concept of transparency and the idea that government information belongs to the taxpayers. News organizations have long been broadcasters and interpreters of that kind of information. If they hide that information behind a pay wall, they&#039;re abdicating a traditional social responsibility and giving up providing information that has been their bread and butter. Someone else will fill the void, for free, as a civic responsibility. See Sunlight Foundation. </p>
<p>But some things are worth the money. Some quality, niche, found-nowhere-else content produced by news organizations could be worth paying for online: Jason S. is absolutely right that the successful pay-for-media examples are generally very specific genres, locations, or experts. Traditional news organizations in the past have had those experts, in words and visuals, but much of their best work that provides context to breaking news has remained hidden, inaccessible in archives. Curating and presenting that context in a visually pleasing way could be worth money in niche markets. </p>
<p>In addition, Google&#039;s Marissa Mayer laid out some ideas to the Senate the other day on how to target and package articles for readers: Those idea could provide context-useful advertising that readers want, rather than hate. For example, I bought a $17.99 bottle of olive oil from Weaver Street Market in Chapel Hill recently, on sale for $7.99. It was opt-in advertising in Twitter, as I followed the co-op store&#039;s Twitter account. That&#039;s the future of advertising, useful. I&#039;m guessing Google and others see that as well. <br />Mayer&#039;s testimony: <a href="http://bit.ly/jGp0V" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/jGp0V</a> </p>
<p>Quoting Clay Shirky (as everyone is): Nothing will work, but everything might.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Bates</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Bates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 01:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason K. suggests that news providers do something collectively to lead rather than be trampled. I agree. But charging for content isn&#039;t the answer. Who will pay the freight? We will. How remains to be seen. In the short term I&#039;d pay to see my local paper on my computer desktops, blackberry, etc. with the same strength and impact it used to have when it hit my driveway. Whether this is even possible remains to be seen as well. Glad to know that so many of us still care. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason K. suggests that news providers do something collectively to lead rather than be trampled. I agree. But charging for content isn&#039;t the answer. Who will pay the freight? We will. How remains to be seen. In the short term I&#039;d pay to see my local paper on my computer desktops, blackberry, etc. with the same strength and impact it used to have when it hit my driveway. Whether this is even possible remains to be seen as well. Glad to know that so many of us still care.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Bates</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Bates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 01:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m reading tomorrow&#039;s NYTimes tonight using TimesReader. It works for me. I can do this because I pay for a subscription to Sunday only paper delivery which is cheaper than paying for electronic only delivery. I have little buttons on my Blackberry that take me to free content (good enough is good enough) from Salon Magazine, The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, and the Washington Post..  
 
I check the Charlotte Observer on the Web at least several times a day in addition to sometimes picking up the subscription paper copy out of my driveway to smell the ever dwindling newsprint and hold on it as long as I can. Something is happening and I&#039;m not sure how to pin it down. We are in the midst of a sea change that is happening whether we like it, love it or hate it.  
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m reading tomorrow&#039;s NYTimes tonight using TimesReader. It works for me. I can do this because I pay for a subscription to Sunday only paper delivery which is cheaper than paying for electronic only delivery. I have little buttons on my Blackberry that take me to free content (good enough is good enough) from Salon Magazine, The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, and the Washington Post..  </p>
<p>I check the Charlotte Observer on the Web at least several times a day in addition to sometimes picking up the subscription paper copy out of my driveway to smell the ever dwindling newsprint and hold on it as long as I can. Something is happening and I&#039;m not sure how to pin it down. We are in the midst of a sea change that is happening whether we like it, love it or hate it.</p>
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		<title>By: Crystal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crystal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 13:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andria quite wonderfully sums up what I was going to say. It&#039;s way too late for newspapers to start charging for online content. I don&#039;t pay for news online. I know somehow, somewhere that someone has that info for free.  
 
What&#039;s the answer on how to pay for reporters/editors &amp; producers/copy editors/photographers/graphic designers? I have a few ideas. And I know some others who have some ideas. (And no, it&#039;s not the nonprofit route.) 
 
Those who want a new business model for the PRINT product focus on the real issue: the decrease in advertising and how to reinvigorate that revenue. Advertising is where the money is/was. Should broadsheet dailies change to tabs? Should papers start Sunday magazines? 
 
 
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andria quite wonderfully sums up what I was going to say. It&#039;s way too late for newspapers to start charging for online content. I don&#039;t pay for news online. I know somehow, somewhere that someone has that info for free.  </p>
<p>What&#039;s the answer on how to pay for reporters/editors &amp; producers/copy editors/photographers/graphic designers? I have a few ideas. And I know some others who have some ideas. (And no, it&#039;s not the nonprofit route.) </p>
<p>Those who want a new business model for the PRINT product focus on the real issue: the decrease in advertising and how to reinvigorate that revenue. Advertising is where the money is/was. Should broadsheet dailies change to tabs? Should papers start Sunday magazines?</p>
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		<title>By: Andria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 02:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Jason K. and friends, 
 
Excellent comments. 
 
Let&#039;s start with the idea that breaking news can&#039;t and shouldn&#039;t be hidden behind a pay wall. I&#039;ll bet the &quot;hot news&quot; doctrine of 1918 will get challenged in court shortly and will fail. &lt;a href=&quot;http://bit.ly&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://bit.ly&lt;/a&gt; 
/Juirj Some news organizations will stake their brands on being first, and spend their resources to defend that, and some won&#039;t. We&#039;ll see whether being first can be a business model. I wonder how it&#039;s going for @BreakingNews. 
 
Then move on to civics: We&#039;re in a new era for civic and government online information, provided free, based on the concept of transparency and the idea that government information belongs to the taxpayers. News organizations have long been broadcasters and interpreters of that kind of information. If they hide that information behind a pay wall, they&#039;re abdicating a traditional social responsibility and giving up providing information that has been their bread and butter. Someone else will fill the void, for free, as a civic responsibility. See Sunlight Foundation. 
 
But some things are worth the money. Some quality, niche, found-nowhere-else content produced by news organizations could be worth paying for online: Jason S. is absolutely right that the successful pay-for-media examples are generally very specific genres, locations, or experts. Traditional news organizations in the past have had those experts, in words and visuals, but much of their best work that provides context to breaking news has remained hidden, inaccessible in archives. Curating and presenting that context in a visually pleasing way could be worth money in niche markets. 
 
In addition, Google&#039;s Marissa Mayer laid out some ideas to the Senate the other day on how to target and package articles for readers: Those idea could provide context-useful advertising that readers want, rather than hate. For example, I bought a $17.99 bottle of olive oil from Weaver Street Market in Chapel Hill recently, on sale for $7.99. It was opt-in advertising in Twitter, as I followed the co-op store&#039;s Twitter account. That&#039;s the future of advertising, useful. I&#039;m guessing Google and others see that as well. 
Mayer&#039;s testimony: &lt;a href=&quot;http://bit.ly/jGp0V&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://bit.ly/jGp0V&lt;/a&gt; 
 
Quoting Clay Shirky (as everyone is): Nothing will work, but everything might. 
 </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Jason K. and friends, </p>
<p>Excellent comments. </p>
<p>Let&#039;s start with the idea that breaking news can&#039;t and shouldn&#039;t be hidden behind a pay wall. I&#039;ll bet the &quot;hot news&quot; doctrine of 1918 will get challenged in court shortly and will fail. <a href="http://bit.ly" target="_blank">http://bit.ly</a><br />
/Juirj Some news organizations will stake their brands on being first, and spend their resources to defend that, and some won&#039;t. We&#039;ll see whether being first can be a business model. I wonder how it&#039;s going for @BreakingNews. </p>
<p>Then move on to civics: We&#039;re in a new era for civic and government online information, provided free, based on the concept of transparency and the idea that government information belongs to the taxpayers. News organizations have long been broadcasters and interpreters of that kind of information. If they hide that information behind a pay wall, they&#039;re abdicating a traditional social responsibility and giving up providing information that has been their bread and butter. Someone else will fill the void, for free, as a civic responsibility. See Sunlight Foundation. </p>
<p>But some things are worth the money. Some quality, niche, found-nowhere-else content produced by news organizations could be worth paying for online: Jason S. is absolutely right that the successful pay-for-media examples are generally very specific genres, locations, or experts. Traditional news organizations in the past have had those experts, in words and visuals, but much of their best work that provides context to breaking news has remained hidden, inaccessible in archives. Curating and presenting that context in a visually pleasing way could be worth money in niche markets. </p>
<p>In addition, Google&#039;s Marissa Mayer laid out some ideas to the Senate the other day on how to target and package articles for readers: Those idea could provide context-useful advertising that readers want, rather than hate. For example, I bought a $17.99 bottle of olive oil from Weaver Street Market in Chapel Hill recently, on sale for $7.99. It was opt-in advertising in Twitter, as I followed the co-op store&#039;s Twitter account. That&#039;s the future of advertising, useful. I&#039;m guessing Google and others see that as well.<br />
Mayer&#039;s testimony: <a href="http://bit.ly/jGp0V" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/jGp0V</a> </p>
<p>Quoting Clay Shirky (as everyone is): Nothing will work, but everything might.</p>
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		<title>By: Corey Creed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Corey Creed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 18:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Newspapers?  What&#039;s a newspaper?  I think my dad used to get one of those every now and then on a Sunday.  Not sure. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Newspapers?  What&#039;s a newspaper?  I think my dad used to get one of those every now and then on a Sunday.  Not sure.</p>
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		<title>By: jakrose</title>
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		<dc:creator>jakrose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 15:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not really the point I was getting at Harry. I just think as a hypothetical, it would get Newspapers thinking in better directions. Take the pay for content model off the table, and what would replace it? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not really the point I was getting at Harry. I just think as a hypothetical, it would get Newspapers thinking in better directions. Take the pay for content model off the table, and what would replace it?</p>
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		<title>By: Harry Hoover</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harry Hoover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 14:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First off, if newspapers got together to agree to start charging for content, that would be collusion and they would be in violation of the law. Secondly, digital America is the land of the free. We are used to content being free and I don&#039;t think there is any going back.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First off, if newspapers got together to agree to start charging for content, that would be collusion and they would be in violation of the law. Secondly, digital America is the land of the free. We are used to content being free and I don&#039;t think there is any going back.</p>
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		<title>By: jakrose</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 14:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed, I don&#039;t think charging or figuring out new ways to charge for online content is the answer at all. I think you are right, new content directions are a big part of the answer. From iPhone to Kindle to TV, etc.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Have you seen the Visit My Baltimore site mentioned in the post? It is not a journalism effort necessarily, but I think it is a good example of the types of experimenting Newspapers need to look toward. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed, I don&#39;t think charging or figuring out new ways to charge for online content is the answer at all. I think you are right, new content directions are a big part of the answer. From iPhone to Kindle to TV, etc.</p>
<p>Have you seen the Visit My Baltimore site mentioned in the post? It is not a journalism effort necessarily, but I think it is a good example of the types of experimenting Newspapers need to look toward.</p>
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